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  • 1.  "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 08-25-2019 00:47
    Hi everyone!
    I'm 14 weeks post op and these last two weeks I think the "cardiac blues" have been creeping up on me. Anyone else experience this? I never realized this recovery would have so many ups and downs. There are days when I'm feeling pretty good physically and emotionally and then a not so very good day will be thrown in there. Trying to stay positive, does anyone have any suggestions? I'm not one to take pills so hopefully this will pass. Thank you : )

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    michelle leverett
    Ridgecrest CA
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  • 2.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 08-26-2019 00:52
    Hello Michelle, you are normal.
    i had quadruple bypass in 1996 and one more in 2010.
    I also had 3 stents placed in my illiac artery and my right leg so that the blood would flow properly( perifial sartery disease and then a defibrillator and pacemaker 5 years ago.

    I went through the blues more than once.
    keep a positive attitude always and laugh as much as you can.
    Discuss this with your doctor also.

    Marvin Keyser
    Mended Hearts,Inc.
    National Vice President
    marvk01@gmail.com
    Weston, Fl.

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    Marvin Keyser
    Weston FL
    (954) 384-3176
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  • 3.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-03-2019 16:38
    Hi Marvin,
    Thank you for your reply. I like this, "keep a positive attitude always and laugh as much as you can."
    I think things are looking up for me, I forgot one very important thing with this recovery...time. I was reminded in my rehab everyone's recovery is different and not to get discouraged if I have a setback. I'm going back to work next week so I think that will help as well. Thank you again  : )


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    michelle leverett
    Ridgecrest CA
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  • 4.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-03-2019 16:54
    When in doubt smile





  • 5.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-04-2019 09:25
    Good Morning Marvin,
    I just want to say thank you, this put a smile on my face. I had a bit of a rough night, so much chest discomfort.
    It's a new day, I'm healthy and alive! I'm going to enjoy this beautiful, sunny day, sore chest and all : )

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    michelle leverett
    Ridgecrest CA
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  • 6.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-04-2019 09:16
    Dear Michelle
    as i read all the responses to your concerns, i am thinking how amazing and wonderful this technology is, to provide this opportunity .. that so many people "strangers"  are sharing their reactions to their heart recovery experiences with you.  We are not really strangers ... just friends who haven't physically met .. giving you and each other support.  So much of what has been written rings true for me.
    Thank you to Mended Hearts for this forum.

    Gradually you will become interested in doing activities outside of surgery recovery.  Now is the time to take care of your needs so you will be well enough to take care of others ( charity, family, making the world a better place etc )  you will discover why you are here,  why you were "saved", a new purpose for you ..  this will help ease and erase the "blues"  ( notice the the blues is in small case )

    Definitely i agree with Ira that time is measured "before and after heart surgery."  For  5 years ,I was in aggressive post op exercise ( 360 minutes a week) then i had knee surgery and got out of the "exercise addiction".   This month is my 7 year Heartaversary ... life is moving on around me.
     Other things are happening: 3 grandchildren born since then. With time other things will take more importance in your mind.
    Right now, i live in "before and after My mom died" last December. Taking care of my 92 year old dad has become a priority.

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    Marilyn Rosenhouse
    Dallas TX
    (214) 850-0219
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  • 7.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-07-2019 09:48
    Good Morning Marilyn,
    Thank you for sharing your story with me, and such kind words of encouragement : ) It really helps  to know I'm not alone, and with time things will get better.
    Yes, technology is a great thing! This group has been a life saver for me. Everyone on here is so thoughtful and kind : )
    I love the fact that we don't have to be on social media to be a part of this group. I think it really hit me about ten days ago, I deactivated my FB page to focus on my healing. I've never felt any of these feelings before, not only physically but emotionally as well. I couldn't understand why I was feeling so down when I have so much to be thankful for. I didn't want to feel like I was complaining or "poor me" so I kept pretending I was okay. I guess it took a breakdown one day in rehab for me to open up. I now have a whole new understanding of feeling the "blues" and have so much compassion for people that live with these feelings day to day.
    I'm having more good days now so I think things are looking up for me : )
    I've started getting out more, and will be returning to work the week after next. I've never been more excited to go to work hahaha!
    HAPPY HEARTAVERSAY!!! Yay for you : )
    Congrats on your grandchildren, they;re the best!  I have 2 little grandsons, one is turning 2 on Monday.
    You are a true blessing to your dad. He's very fortunate to have you to take care of him.
    Thank you again for your reply. Enjoy your weekend : )
    Michelle

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    michelle leverett
    Ridgecrest CA
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  • 8.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 08-26-2019 07:11
    Hi Michelle,

    Healing physically from open heart surgery can take a full year or longer.  I made rapid progress during my first three months post-op, but the progress became more gradual after that.  I am now eighteen months post-op, in excellent physical condition, able to do everythingI used to do at the gym, but still am not as strong as I was pre-op.  Some days are better than others, but every day feels like a gift.

    Mental healing doesn't really have any timeframe.  I never suffered from post-op depression.  I was filled with gratitude every day just to be alive and still feel that way.  Despite that, I have experienced and continue to experience a vast emotional, psychological and spiritual change from life prior to my heart attack and surgery.  I still find myself recalling life events and categorizing them as pre-surgery or pist-surgery.  It is as if what happened before my surgery occurred in a prior life.  I also find myself uninterested in certain things that I regarded as important pre-surgery, and committed, instead, to interests that I never made much time for before but had always wanted to pursue.  I very much more live in the here and now these days.  I celebrate the anniversaries of my heart attack and surgery as my Alive Days.  I always preferred solitude, and that preference has gotten stronger post-surgery, even as I appreciate the company and assistance of my family and friends more.

    I will never be the same, but that's okay.

    All the best,

    Ira

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    Ira Reid
    Hoboken NJ
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  • 9.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-03-2019 16:52
    Hello Ira,
    Thank you for your reply and sharing your story, it gives me hope : )
    I'm halfway through my rehab now and am starting to have fewer restrictions, which is helping me feel better.  I'm still having some discomfort in my chest but as I'm learning that may take a while to fully heal.  I finally got the all clear to go back to work so I'm thinking that will help as well.
    Thank you again for your reply : )

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    michelle leverett
    Ridgecrest CA
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  • 10.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 08-26-2019 08:14
    Michelle, Try to understand that you will have good and bad days. Stick to what you have said about not taking pills (Quack meds etc.) as best you can. Once you get started on that path it ultimately can lead to more difficulties. Not saying to absolutely abstain,just know it should be a last resort. I personally struggle with depression that was manageable and mild for years,until I became a heart patient. First go around ok, 12 years later,this time it became overwhelming. Get a good support system, and put faith in the Lord, if you have not yet done so. Keep at it each day,do not isolate. Stay active it helps a lot. Blessings, Jim .





  • 11.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 08-27-2019 10:18
    Michelle,

    My quintuple bypass in January, 2010, followed by complications with my lungs causing lung surgery months later required the expected physical rehab: the mental/emotional aspects were a surprise.
    Such a learning experience that sharing it required an entire book that is described in my website http://www.OneHeartTwoLivescom.wordpress.com.
    An incredibly short glimpse is to think of our bodies as an electrical system that controls us physically and emotionally. Each morning I "primed" it by stretching and being grateful for another day. 
    We cannot change our genes but genes only provide a base line: from there it is up to us. 
    We are a living organism, and even organisms like animals and plants feel. However, only humans were blessed with the power to think and reason: with that power comes the obligation to do so. 

    Hope this incredibly brief philosophy works for you. It worked for me as last week I was hiking at 9,320 feet in Utah, and have bought my season ski pass for 2020.

    Brent Zepke 
       





  • 12.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-04-2019 09:15
    Hi Brent,
    Thank you for your reply. I received your book yesterday. I'm really enjoying it : )
    Congratulations, wow 9320 feet! I have the Sierra Nevada mountain range behind me and can't wait until the day I can go exploring and hiking again.Until then I have to remember it's going to take time and I will get there again one day.
    Thank you again for sharing your story : )

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    michelle leverett
    Ridgecrest CA
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  • 13.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-04-2019 09:03
    Hi James,
    Thank you for your reply. I've started getting out more and have noticed that has helped quite a bit. I will be going back to work soon so I'm thinking that will help as well. I think I just have to accept the fact that the healing process is going to take more time. I think that's what gets me down at times. Some days I'm doing really well then the next day I have to take it easy. My Dr said due to my diabetes it may take me longer to heal. Joining this group has sure helped me with this recovery.
    Thank you again for sharing your story : )

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    michelle leverett
    Ridgecrest CA
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  • 14.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 08-26-2019 08:46

    Michelle,

    Depression – different levels for different folks – is common after open heart surgery. I believe I have heard the percentage as about 30% of folks have some depression.

    I think your idea of thinking positive thoughts and maybe calling friends for a chat more often are two of the more simple aides.

    You are not alone – keep after it and you should see improvement as time goes forward.

    CABG 2007

    Cryo Ablation for Atrial Fibrillations December 2017

    Volunteer for Mended Hearts and volunteer in the Cardiac OR area one day per week, visiting families in the waiting room to give them the status of the operation

    Joe J Ft Myers

     






  • 15.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-04-2019 09:38
    Hi Joe,
    Thank you for your reply. I started getting out more the past few days and have noticed that has helped. I'm not really comfortable talking about my sadness with family or friends, I don't want to feel like I'm complaining. This group and all of you with your kind words of encouragement is helping me get through this, along with my cardiac rehab. I think things are looking up for me : )
    Thank you again : )

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    michelle leverett
    Ridgecrest CA
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  • 16.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 08-26-2019 10:06

    Michelle-

                  As has been said here before, everyone's experience is different, but depression in one form or another is not uncommon. My cardiologist prescribed an anti-depressant for me, which I found helpful. (People's experiences with these differ too.) Others find the support of Mended Hearts meetings or other groups helpful. (You are not a pill person; I guess I am not a meeting person.) Look, it's life; no guarantees whichever way you turn; but you say you are staying positive and that's a good thing and good luck to you.

    Bob Levin

    Berkeley

     

    Sent from Mail for Windows 10

     






  • 17.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-04-2019 10:47
    Hi Bob,
    Thank you for your reply. I'm so thankful for this group. I'm learning I'm not alone in my feelings, not only emotionally but physically as well. I'm definitely finding the support I need with this group : )

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    michelle leverett
    Ridgecrest CA
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  • 18.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 08-26-2019 10:42
    Michelle, Depresion is very common after heart surgery, about 80% of
    the people go through some form of depression, Talk to your doctor
    about this he can recommend a mild antidepressant to help you through
    this stage.

    --
    Fred G. Sparling
    President Mended Hearts of the San Gabriel Valley
    Covina, CA
    626-893-1014




  • 19.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-05-2019 13:08
    Good Morning Fred,
    Thank you for your reply : )
    I'm so thankful I joined this group, it helps me to know I'm not alone in how I'm feeling. I've started getting out more and have been discussing my feelings with my cardiac nurses. This recovery sure has it's ups and downs but I feel things are starting to look up for me : )
    Thank you : )
    Michelle

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    michelle leverett
    Ridgecrest CA
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  • 20.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-05-2019 13:23
    Hi Michelle,

    This group is lucky to have you as a new member.  I believe that you have personally thanked every person who responded to your original post.  I can't tell you how impressed I am with your graciousness.  If everyone was as thoughtful as you, this would be an immeasurably better world.

    Thank you giving us the gift of your company.

    Ira

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    Ira Reid
    Hoboken NJ
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  • 21.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-07-2019 10:12
    Awe Ira, thank you so much! What a beautiful way to start my day, smiling!!!!!
    A BIG thank you for being so kind! I think we are all very fortunate to have YOU as a member : )
    Have a wonderful weekend : )
    Michelle

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    michelle leverett
    Ridgecrest CA
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  • 22.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-06-2019 09:05
    Hi Michelle and everyone!
    I had open heart surgery almost 7 months ago after finding out that I had a congenital heart condition at 49! I’m a very healthy person and it was a shock to learn I had a large hole in my heart (ASD Primum) since birth, so big that it doesn’t make a “swish” sound that a stethoscope could hear. So, it’s been a rough ride but I’m thankful. The cardiac blues are real but no different than the general blues, at least for me, because I’m familiar with them both. Staying focused on the positive, being thankful, getting my rest, eating and drinking right ALL HELP. I’m now taking even better care of myself. For this, I’m most grateful. It’s wonderful to “meet” you all and share stories. Today I graduate from Cardiac Rehab!!! I love everyone there. I will miss the nurses and other patients so I’m glad to find this forum. Love and light to you ALL ❣️❤️😊




  • 23.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-07-2019 10:51
    Good Morning Jill,
    Thank you for your reply. Wow, that would be quite a shock! Congratulations on your graduation and your recovery : )
    I still have 11 more sessions. I know what you mean when you say you will miss everyone. We create such an awesome bond with our fellow rehabbers along with the nurses. We had 2 people graduate yesterday and one of the nurses said it was bittersweet saying goodbye. Kind of like sending a kid off to college she said haha!
    I never realized this recovery would have so many ups and downs. I'm so thankful for this group and everyone on it. It has been a huge part of my recovery this past month. I'm learning from everyone on here that what I'm feeling is all normal and it will get easier in time.
    I've started getting out more so I think that has helped a lot. I still have some fears and anxieties but I've been working through those with the help of the wonderful nurses at rehab.
    I was informed about the "cardiac blues" when I was discharged but didn't really understand the feeling until it hit me. I've learned that they are real. It has given me a much better understanding for depression and even more compassion for people that live with this.
    I was taken off the arm machines this week, again, due to inflammation in my chest. I'm back on the Tylenol and ice pack.  Instead of getting frustrated or down this time around I'm remaining positive and thankful : )
    It's nice meeting you as well, best of luck to you on your continued recovery!
    Again, thank you for sharing your story and have a wonderful weekend : )
    Michelle


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    michelle leverett
    Ridgecrest CA
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  • 24.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 08-27-2019 14:00
    Hi Michelle. I am 9 weeks post op from a Mitral Valve surgery.  About week 4 I started to notice the "cardiac depression" creeping in. I experienced a lot of anxiety, panic attacks, I cried at the drop of a hat, I felt zapped of all my energy and NOTHING could hold my interest. I discovered this forum while researching cardiac depression and I befriended a fellow Mitral Valve patient who just so happened to have had her surgery on the same day as mine. Jenny saved my life. We exchanged personal contact information and I have texted or spoken to her every day since then. We call each other heart sisters. Being able to talk personally with someone  who was going through this difficult time, sharing our recovery, our fears and anxiety and our milestones together made my depression more tolerable.  I learned I was not alone in what I was feeling.  My husband has truly been amazing and a source of unending support as well it's just that he couldn't possibly understand what I was dealing with no matter how hard he tried. But finding people or a person that did helped me so much. Part of my depression and anxiety was also feeling that "I'd never be the same or I was never going to "get better". I was never one to be idle and my brain was still telling me to go, go , go but my body had other plans. It needed time to heal and I am not a patient person. Another thing that added to my depression was all these "timelines" for recovery. At six weeks you should be here able to do this and if I wasn't I would become more depressed. I remember marking everyday off my calendar to the magical 6 week mark. I had told myself well "you have to be better by then"  and looking back now I was in many ways better then at 4 weeks but not back to "normal" by any means and normal was the only thing I wanted to be.  I decided to try to not put so much stock in the timeframe of recovery but into actually recovering. I started instead to concentrate on helping my body to heal. I stopped pushing myself to do things  physically that I thought I should be doing at 6 weeks or was told I should be able to do at 6 weeks by the internet or the pamphlet the hospital gave me upon discharge and instead I would tell myself "it's okay to take things slowly while my body and heart heal". It's okay to have no energy. To rest a lot. I started walking to build up my stamina. I researched what foods I should be eating to help my body heal. I threw out my calendar and stopped Googling recovery time lines and how long does it take for the sternum to heal. Finally in this past week I feel like I've made some progress both physically and mentally.  It only happened for me when I finally accepted that my body is going to take whatever time it needs and I can't push it and I had to believe that I would get better in time.  I just had to accept that I couldn't really control when. That I wasn't  in control at all really. Now, I still have days when I get down or frustrated and cry but they are much fewer and farther in between. Our bodies and minds have been through such a major trauma and it will take time for both to heal. I'm sorry to have rambled on and on and I hope this helps you in some small way.  I wish you nothing but happiness and good health.

    Cyndi

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    Cynthia Maxfield
    Housewife
    Centennial CO
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  • 25.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-07-2019 12:09
    Good Morning Cyndi,
    Oh my gosh, thank you for sharing your story. I'm thankful you rambled on, this has helped me more than you know! This sounds so much like my life!!! This is exactly what and how I've been feeling! I was marking my calendar as well and couldn't wait til my 3 month mark! I thought I was going to be back to "my" normal by then, as if something magical was going to happen.
    I've had a bit of a setback this past week, I have inflammation in my chest again. Instead of getting frustrated or down I also accepted the fact that it's going to take more time. I'm focusing on all the positive and good I have in my life. And if I never return to "my" normal again, I'm okay with that too. I figure I will come out of this a better version of my old self : )
    So happy to hear you are having more better days : )
    Have a wonderful weekend and best of luck to you on your continued recovery!
    Thank you again for sharing your story! Here's to us and our healing : )
    Michelle

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    michelle leverett
    Ridgecrest CA
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  • 26.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-10-2019 11:39
    Hi Cyndi,

    Great post. I know exactly how you feel. I was always a hard-driving, goal-oriented, high achiever my whole life and I was frustrated that I wasn't meeting the timelines for recovery and it definitely contributed to my "cardiac blues". I finally had to realize that some things are out of my control and I just have to let go and let my body heal at whatever pace it needs to. Although at 5 months post-op I'm still having complications arise that are slowing down my recovery, I have accepted the fact that the new "normal" may be different than what normal was before my surgery. My surgery was the result of having 5 blood clots in my heart, any one of which should have killed me, so I just do my best to focus on the fact that even when I don't feel good (which truthfully is most of the time) at least I'm still alive, I can still walk around and I'm back to work. We just have to celebrate the small victories and not worry about winning the race.

    Wishing you continued healing and blessings.

    Best regards,
    Brett

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    Brett Temple
    Project Manager
    Sarasota FL
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  • 27.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 08-27-2019 17:28
    Michelle: I know what you mean by the "cardiac blues".  I've had them and almost every heart event survivor I know has had them.  May I recommend two outstanding books that were helpful to me in addition to the therapy I engaged in with a clinical psychologist who works with only heart patients.  The books are Mind Over Mood by Dennis Greenberger and Christine A. Padesky.  Both are Ph Ds and offer very practical realistic do it yourself work that leads to banishing the "cardiac blues."  The second book was very helpful; it is A New and Better Now: Gratitude and the Art of Thriving After a Heart Event by Michael Hesser.  He knows what he is  talking about because he is a heart event survivor having undergone a 7 hour quadruple-bypass.  I hope you find a way beyond the cardiac blues.  Best to you in your recovery.

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    William Hess
    Accredited Mended Hearts Volunteer and Chapter Membership Chair
    Chapter 081
    Altanta, GA
    (404) 452-8464
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  • 28.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 08-28-2019 08:40
    Its almost 7 years since my open heart surgery with complications ( including medically induced comma, cardiogenic shock, rehab and other issues).  ( the doctors said i am a medical miracle.... but that's not so easy to accept). The advices that everyone here have given you are excellent....especially the knowledge that we all heal at different speeds is the most important. I also suggest that you talk to your medical team.  Antidepressants and anti anxiety medications have their place in your recovery; and  you can wean off them.   Going to a Mended Hearts  meeting or other support group was helpful to me. My family and friends were extremely supportive but they didn't get that coming so close to "being almost dead"  and fear of being disabled aren't so easy to bounce back from emotionally.  You are doing the best thing: asking for help.... and "doing nothing" is not nothing . Your body needs lots of rest as part of the  healing process  .... balanced by getting up and doing therapy and activities around home and out

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    Marilyn Rosenhouse
    Dallas TX
    (214) 850-0219
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  • 29.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-09-2019 10:38
    Good Morning Marilyn,
    Thank you for sharing your story. You are very right, I need to remember it's going to take time and we do all heal at different speeds. I've started reading a book that was suggested on this forum and it has helped quite a bit. I've started getting out more and have stopped feeling so guilty when not doing anything.
    Enjoy your week and thank you again for your reply : )
    Michelle

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    michelle leverett
    Ridgecrest CA
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  • 30.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-09-2019 10:32
    Good Morning William,
    Thank you very much for the info. I did find these books on Amazon and will be ordering them. I'm currently reading a book that was suggested here on this forum. It seems to be helping. I think things are starting to look up for me : )
    Enjoy your week and thank you again for the info!
    Michelle

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    michelle leverett
    Ridgecrest CA
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  • 31.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-02-2019 17:01
    Feeling the same way. You are not alone

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    Michael Schneider
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  • 32.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-02-2019 18:28
    I am beginning to wonder how much of the “cardiac blues” is specific to heart patients or a depression related to bring so sick for a lengthy time, cooped up in hospital. Is “cardiac blues “ different than someone suffering from cancer , stroke, other terrible illnesses. Many of us heart patients are fortunate to eventually get back to our new nirnal. With an appreciation for the good

    Marilyn B. Rosenhouse
    Mobile: (214)850-0655




  • 33.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-02-2019 18:47
    Marilyn,

    This is just my personal opinion, but I do not believe that what we call "cardiac blues" is specific to heart patients.  Most people have expectations about how their lives are "supposed to be" or what constitutes a good life or what they deserve because they are good people and, when things like heart attacks, open heart surgery, ALS or cancer intervene, they're left wondering why did this happen to me or my wife or mother/father or, even worse, my child.

    We live our lives, each and every moment, seeking and hoping that are dreams will be fulfilled, but the fact of our mortality, and the mortality of those we love, is an everpresent fact that we cannot escape.  Whether we suffer or recover from cardiac blues, or avoid it altogether, depends on whether and to what extent we have accepted that our mortality is inevitable but that our ability to love while we are here is unlimited and unconquerable.

    Ira

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    Ira Reid
    Hoboken NJ
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  • 34.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-02-2019 19:04

                  I've been enjoying this discussion – and my two-cents is that anyone who's had a serious illness may well have some variety of blues but the only authority I can think to cite at the moment is Jimmie ("The Singing Brakeman") Rogers's "T. B. Blues."

                  One interesting distinction between cancer and cardiovascular problems was pointed out to me by my cardiologist (See: Levin and Levin. I WILL KEEP YOU ALIVE. P. 159) "...cancer is something from outside, an invader, an enemy fighting against your body, But your heart is part of you.... You can not be mad at your heart."

    Bob Levin

     

    Sent from Mail for Windows 10

     






  • 35.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-02-2019 19:42
    Everyone:

       Nice encouraging thoughts, thank you 😊

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    Michael Schneider
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  • 36.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-02-2019 21:32
    Sorry for my typos
    New normal 
    Being sick. Not bring sick etc. 

    Marilyn B. Rosenhouse
    Mobile: (214)850-0655






  • 37.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-09-2019 11:52
    Good Morning Michael,
    I've been feeling better this past week. I have taken a lot of advice from the others on this forum and it has helped me tremendously. I've also started reading one of the books suggested on here and plan on reading the others. That has seemed to help as well. Some parts of the book even gave me a good laugh since that was the same thing I was feeling and thinking.
    I hit a pretty low a couple weeks ago and really didn't understand why until I realized I was tired of being tired, tired of being sore,  tired of still having so many restrictions, tired of pretending I was okay, and more importantly tired of having fears and anxieties of the "what ifs". I didn't want to seem ungrateful or like I was complaining so I kept it all in until one day I had a mental breakdown at rehab! I guess that was what I needed. I have learned that sometimes it's okay to not be okay and it will get better with time and patience. My "blues" lasted for a few weeks and I'm here to say it will get better and you will find yourself smiling and enjoying life again : )
    I found that staying positive no matter how hard it was at times helped me as well.
    Best of luck to you on your recovery, you can do it!!
    Enjoy your week : )
    Michelle

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    michelle leverett
    Ridgecrest CA
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  • 38.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-06-2019 09:48
    Hi Michelle,

    I had a triple bypass in April and went through it myself, and I'm very much a positive mental attitude kind of person. I don't know if it's because the heart is the center of our being and anything dealing with the heart triggers thoughts of our own mortality or if it's just that it takes so long to feel better after open heart surgery that you just get tired of feeling like crap. What helps me is always having an "attitude of gratitude". I make it a point to be grateful for every day I have, even on the days I don't fell well. You will be amazed by how just that one little thing can make a big difference in how you feel. :-)

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    Brett Temple
    Project Manager
    Sarasota FL
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  • 39.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-09-2019 12:07
    Good Morning Brett,
    Thank you so much for sharing your story, I like your way of thinking.
    I've pretty much been a positive person as well so it was a little difficult for me to understand why I was feeling this way when I have so much to be thankful for. You're very right when you say tired of feeling like crap. I think that was some of it for me, as well as thoughts of my own mortality. I still have a few fears but I'm working on them. I've been taking advise from all of you, as well as reading one of the books suggested on here, I've been feeling pretty good this past week : )
    I've definitely learned a lot with this recovery and have a whole new appreciation for such simple things in life : )
    Thank you again for your encouraging words. Enjoy your week : )
    Michelle

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    michelle leverett
    Ridgecrest CA
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  • 40.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-09-2019 15:05
    Hi Michelle,

    You are exactly right! It's ok to have a bad day, and break down. It's not ok to stay there. That's what I tell myself. I'm a caregiver and my son is 10 now. He was born with a congenital heart defect and has had open heart surgery. I find myself tired and overwhelmed, and really....Thinking I was strange for being so overwhelmed or upset or angry (enter any feeling here). Once I was able to realize that I wasn't alone and that it wasn't strange to have a bad day it has helped me so much.
    Hang in there and know you aren't alone. The journey is a marathon not a sprint (for sure!). I hope you can find small things each day to be grateful for. Keep sharing and talking. I know that others feel the same way you do.

    Have a great week!

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    Andrea Baer
    Grapeville PA
    (724) 396-7820
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  • 41.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-10-2019 10:55
    ​Hi Everyone,

    I've noticed that there is a common theme in many of these posts.  For many people, the blues seem to be compounded or made worse by a belief that "I shouldn't feel this way" or "I shouldn't feel this way for too long" or "I should be feeling better/doing more/ progressing/etc. by this time" or "I don't want to be burdening people" and similar statements.  It's as if many of us believe that there is a normal/appropriate way to be or feel, physically or emotionally, and that we and/or life "should" be a particular way.

    When we recognize that we are thinking in terms of "should" or "supposed to be," it might be helpful to question why we believe that our lives/feelings/behavior need to be that way.  In my own experience, I have found that when I've dug down deeply into the reasons for my "should" beliefs, I've come to realize that maybe my beliefs were mistaken and that I don't need to feel badly about the thing that was bothering me after all.  I have found, for example, that when I question a belief that "I shouldn't feel this way" I'll come up with an answer such as "because if I didn't feel this way it would mean that I'm a bad person, or I wouldn't be motivated to change or get help or I would somehow be harmful to my own interests."  At that point, I would usually recognize that I don't really believe these things at all, and that X wouldn't mean that I'm a bad person or that Y wouldn't mean that I wouldn't be motivated to get help, etc.

    At that point, I feel much better.  The pain, problem, issue hasn't necessarily gone away, but at least I'm no longer compounding it by being unhappy that I'm not a way that I'm "supposed to be" or that I'm not doing or that life isn't happening as it "should."

    When you engage in this type of questioning for a while, you may find that life and your feelings have far fewer rules than you ever imagined and that you have far more freedom to be exactly as you are and still be the wonderful human being that want to be.

    All the best,

    Ira

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    Ira Reid
    Hoboken NJ
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  • 42.  RE: "CARDIAC BLUES"

    Posted 09-16-2019 10:54
    Good Morning Andrea,
    Thank you for sharing your story. Awe, your little guy is a real superhero and you as well  : )
    Yesterday was four months for me since my surgery. You are definitely right when you say it is a marathon and not a sprint, Thanks to all of you in this group it has made it so much easier for me this past month!
    I've been easing back into my normal activities these past few weeks and yes, it has helped quite a bit! I still have some fears and anxieties but am working on those and have been starting to feel so much better : )
    Thank you again and wishing you both the best : )
    Have a great week!
    Michelle

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    michelle leverett
    Ridgecrest CA
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